After the whole country relived what can safely be called the biggest murder trial of its history, The People VS O.J. Simpson has been on many minds these days. It was certainly on mine as I followed the series faithfully, finally learning the intricacies and details of a case that occurred when I was only 9 years old. In this series, I have decided to trust my gut and my heart when it comes to choosing the subjects for our sessions, and there was no doubt I wanted our second session to be with Nicole Brown Simpson.

As always, Amy and I chat a bit before getting down to business. I set up my screen recording software, make sure my dog is sleeping so he wont disturb us, and off we go.

Me: Okay! Whenever youre ready.

Amy: So, um, in tuning into both of them Nicole, to me, feels like shes in a higher place, as far as acceptance, and, um, angelic presence around her? Im seeing that Ron has a more emotional body wrapped up in things.

Me: Okay.

Amy: All right.

Amy closes her eyes. When she connects with spirits it always appears the same; it almost looks as if shes meditating. I suppose on a certain level, she is.

I wait patiently. Amy breathes deeply its the only way I can tell were still online together, shes so still. At last, her eyelids flutter and she says:

Amy: There. I feel them both, so…

Me: Okay.

Amy opens her eyes, looking almost dazed.

Amy: Um, ask a question.

Me: Okay. Um. I dont wanna start too heavy but, um, lets see I guess well start a little bit lighter and ask Nicole what she thinks of her friends book.

I hold up the copy of “Nicole Brown Simpson: The Private Diary of a Life Interrupted, written by Faye Resnick, which had just arrived at my door that day.

Amy closes her eyes again.

Amy: There isnt any judgement towards it? But she wants to make clear and known, um, that her friendships in that lifetime, um, were very she doesnt wanna use the word superficial but um were based on things that she believed was true friendship at that time? But didnt have much depth. To it.

Me: Okay.

Amy: Um. Shes saying that she doesnt necessarily feel that the intentions behind that book were to defend her, get her story out, per se. Um. Shes saying It is what it is because of what ruled everyones, um, happiness and their egos in that circle.

Me: Uh huh.

Amy: So the intentions werent as pure as they are presented as.

I think we can all agree on that. Even if Faye Resnick had intended to tell Nicoles story in a pure sense (which I doubt she was,) the story was definitely twisted at some point into something else. Most likely for fame and money.

Amy tries to explain how Nicole isnt coming from a three-dimensional human sense when it comes to her feelings on the matter when my video and audio begin to jitter, pop. I ignore it until she says:

Amy: Is your camera doing weird things?

Me: (laughing) Yes, Ive got audio pops.

Amy: (laughing) Yeah, okay. What shes saying is that from where everyone was, in that lifetime, the ego-based intentions are what they are. She says, Anybody should be able to understand that.”

We move on. I never like to overload Amy at the beginning of a session the more violent or unpleasant a scenario with a spirit is, the more it affects her personally so I try to softball one towards Ron, since he seemed so eager to speak.

Me: Okay. Um, all right, I guess well ask Ronald one. Um. What was he doing at her house that night?

For those of you who dont know, the official story is that Ron a friend of Nicoles and a waiter at restaurant Mezzaluna as he pursued an acting career was returning a pair of glasses to Nicole that had been left behind that night after a dinner there to celebrate daughter Sydneys dance recital. A phone call had been made saying the glasses were missing and Ron volunteered to return them.

Amy closes her eyes. A minute passes.

Amy: This is an interesting one. Which, I dont even, I, I never got this until just now so this is fascinating. Hes telling me, that, he was given a message. Not by her in person, or speaking, even was given a message for him to go there at a certain time. And, he is

Amy closes her eyes again, concentrating hard.

Amy: Saying to me that she was just as surprised to see him as he was surprised to see her surprised. Like, shes like, What are you doing here? And hes like You told me to come here?

She pauses, her fingers in the air as she jabs at important words, like you and come.’

Amy: Im also getting from him that, thats basically all they got out.

She shakes her head and gives me a look that says you know. I do.

Me: Before it happened.

Amy nods.

Me: So I guess he was given a message had they been, and this is for either of them, had then been intimate or

Im barely done speaking when Amy interrupts me.

Amy: Intimate.

Me: Or were they just friends? Oh oh, intimate?

Amy: I just literally saw a flash of them…

She makes a gesture with her fingers that describes what she saw.

Me: Goin at it?

Amy: The position and bodies and everything just yeah.

Me: I guess the question would be, then, uh where did his there is a reason out there as to why he was supposedly at her house. Um, that was that they were intimate. Im just wondering if he knows where that came from. Or why.

Amy: Uh, okay. One thing he wants to say is that, um and I dont know about this, but was there confusion on his sexuality?

Me: Im not sure.

I frown. Amy closes her eyes again. As she starts to focus I do what I sometimes do during our sessions minimize the Skype tab, pull up my browser, and do some research. You can hear my keyboard clicking away as I type something along the lines of ron goldman bisexuality.

Then something very strange happens.

Amy: I kind of get, or am hearing, bisexuality?

She goes on but instead we get well just listen for yourself.

I have been on many Skype calls. I know what it sounds like when the connection is slowed, interrupted, or fragmented. That is not what it sounds like.

Halfway through the garbled speech, I hear the word fuck. My face by the time Amy comes back says it all.

Amy: is what Im hearing.

Whatever she said had been entirely censored.

Me: Um. So Im gonna have to show you that? Because you basically after you said bisexuality it did something my computer has never done in my entire life.

We discuss the anomaly and Amy does a brief pendulum session where she consults a pendulum for a yes or no answer. She asks Ron if he she was wrong about his bisexuality, if she had heard wrong. She gets a yes, shes wrong. She asks again if Ron was bisexual and gets a hard no.

So thats settled. She had heard wrong. Ron Goldman was not, in fact, bisexual. I go back to my research that Id abandoned in the wake of the strange sounds and find that his sexuality was, in fact, speculated on in the media.

We go back to the alibi for the night of the murder.

Amy: So hes telling me that that confusion arrived from friends at where he worked. Uh, so hes telling me that a message came in about going there, supposedly from her, that was explained in a way that friends of his believed happened. And he said that he was not truthful with people about his connection with her because of her fear, number one. And she asked him not to share, with people. And so it comes from friends, specifically at work, that he gave reason as to his connection with her. So that he protected her.

I explain the Mezzaluna glasses excuse. Amy closes her eyes.

Amy: Yep. Hes saying that is an untruth, that that is a cover of um but hes saying, actually, okay. So what hes saying is that he received message at work to go see her. That she needed to talk to him, and it was important. And she didnt wanna do it over telephone. He told people because the message came in to work, and he didnt specifically speak to her, hes saying he did not speak to her. So he told friends that the reason she was reaching out to him was because she had left something. He was gonna return it.

So that clears that up. And we all know what Nicoles fear was, right?

Amy: It was a womans voice. So theres a woman who knows about this. Calling, posing as her [Nicole] so that he [Ron] would go there at a specific time.

I clarify that Ron doesnt know who placed it. Amy confirms. Now its time to just go for it. Theres no other way to say it:

Me: So I guess, were fast tracking to it was I guess who who committed the murder? (laughing) Just dive right in.

Amy closes her eyes for only a moment before opening them again. She looks deadly serious.

Amy: 100%, absolutely, no doubt. Absolutely O.J.

Me: O.J. And he did it himself?

Amy: Yep. I dont see anybody else there. And it was literally ninja-style. So, so much craze. So much and preparation. On O.J.s part of um how to kill quickly. How to, um it was something that was pre-planned.

Amy looks distressed. Usually when getting these messages her eyes are closed but now theyre darting back and forth at something I cant see.

Amy: Okay. Let me stop that for a second. Hes talking a lot.

She makes a talking motion with her hand and closes her eyes again.

Amy: He was killed first. I dont know, can that be proven?

Me: Im not sure. I can look.

Amy: Okay. He was killed first. She, right within seconds. And here is where it is interesting.

She clasps her hands over her heart and bows her head.

Amy: Im not sure how that could be proven because literally it was just in seconds. Yep.

Another long moment passes.

Amy: And how Im seeing it I dont know if this could be, proven at all as well I see her, if Im standing, facing, I see her on the left, and him on the right

The video and audio begin to jitter.

Amy: and Im trying to get a visual of where O.J. comes from. I feel from what Im seeing O.J. comes from behind. Takes Rons neck, slits.

She pantomimes this, one arm in front of her as though shes holding someone from behind. Amy pulls the other hand across an invisible neck.

Amy: Nicole is directly straight in front. And as he does that, he grabs her

One hand still holding the imaginary knife, Amy uses her free hand to grab at an invisible head.

Amy: like this. By the hair. That body drops and he takes his knife and does hers from the front

She pantomimes this as well, then appears extremely upset, dropping the demonstration to shake her hands in front of her, the way a kid might do upon eating something particularly distasteful.

Amy: Literally seconds. Guh.

She shakes her head, eyes closed. I think we have enough information for that part so I try to change course a little. I explain the layout of the condo and where the bodies were found, confirming Amys scenario. She asks where O.J. couldve came from and I tell her about the infamous side path where the glove was found.

Amy: Did they know if they crawled or anything? They feel close.

Me: No, they just fell. Here, I can find the crime scene pictures.

Amy dabs at the corner of her eyes. It appears shes teared up. Upon my mention of the crime scene photos:

Amy: Oh, yuck. They have those public?

Me: Uh, yeah. You can find almost anything like this online.

Amy: You can see their bodies? Their faces?

Oh boy, my history in morbid fascination comes through for once. I explain the origins of the photos and others that you can find online. Amy is visually disturbed and I feel a little guilty for having such knowledge.

I review the photos and explain what I see. Both throats were definitely slit. The position looks right. Theyre very close, as Amy said.

I inform Amy, in regards to the ninja style and killing quickly that O.J. was required to take combat knife training for a pilot he was filming at the time titled Frogmen. Interestingly enough, he even filmed (and was trained for) a scene where he took a female from behind and threatened to slice her throat with a knife.

We move on.

Amy: The one thing that I want to say gets interesting and I want to say it before I forget was Ron was telling me that the reason he got targeted for this is it was planned for Nicole, period. O.J. had made up in his mind that he was doing that. He was doing it that night. That whole, that whole thing was pre thought-up.

Me: Mm-hm.

Amy: For HER. But Ron is telling me that there is something that agitated O.J. to the point of Im feeling like, more flippant feels so disrespected. That hes allowing me to see O.J. was like, Hey motherfucker. Youre going too. Off of something that happened, that O.J. got pissed about.

Me: That day?

Amy: Yes. Like literally, throwing him in the pot that day. Something that was the camel, the straw. Okay, so hes telling me okay.

Amy closes her eyes again.

Amy: All right, let me ask him to stop for a second. Let me connect with Nicole, because I want to ask her what hes telling me right now.

A brief pause.

Amy: Okay. So, now I have both, um, hes telling me that Nicole was at a place in that time of her life that she was well aware of O.J.s erratic, um she sensed, and she knew. She tried, um, like in those days before, to share with people? That she was scared. Of him. In particular. Moreso than when they were married, and when she shared with people things that would happen, um in those last couple days, she was she had told people, or was trying to reach out to people, in specific she had discussed with Ron about O.J.s temper, jealousy, rage, control issues. Um. Crazy eyes, hes saying. Just this thing taking over that, um she was literally scared of him. And knew that. And shes confirming with me that that is true, and that she had shared that with him. So hes well aware of that and shes well aware of that and hes saying that O.J. became well aware of their connection. And hes telling me that he, O.J., put two and two together of their intimacy. And Rons telling me that Ron was a very, um, loyal person who was not afraid to stand up um he would say what he thought and believed, he wouldnt cower to um anyone, especially someone who is hurting someone or some injustice is being done. So hes telling me that to tell me that he couldnt hide his distaste? For him [O.J.] and that somehow, he came face to face with him. And this all is what got him on the list of and again, I hear O.J., Motherfucker, you wanna disrespect me like that? To my own FACE? Im gonna let you You know. Hes [Ron] very talkative. Hes talking a lot.

Me: He probably feels like, um and they even mention this on the show, that like his family was very upset because they said, you know, Its like my son doesnt even factor in, its the O.J. and Nicole show. And when he did factor in it was like, Ooo, they were fucking.”

Amy: Hes saying that that doesnt bother him, just the injustice of him [O.J.] getting away with it.

Me: Okay.

Amy: That, um, and, and people not understanding the full gamut of what happened. How it was set up. The reason why he was there in the first place. Of and he wants to make sure its understood that, the connection between him and her was more than just hooking up. There was a true care, a friendship, a concern of how are you doing, are you okay, and she truly confided and trusted him, to tell him about what was going on, where she was at, and confide in him about what she had gone through and what she was going through. With O.J. So it wasnt just Meet me at 9 and lets fuck and then you leave an hour later, there actually was a friendship connection there. That transcended just hooking up.

I ask if theres anything about a dog, since it was Nicoles Akita that found their bodies. Amy describes a love and care Nicole has for a very well-trained, very intelligent dog, who obeys Nicole when O.J. isnt around. She explains that O.J. is the alpha, always.”

At this point, I need to go pick my husband up from work and Amy has her own errands to run. She says its actually a good spot for a break because after tuning in to the murder shes feeling pretty overwhelmed. We agree to join up again later that evening so as not to lose the flow of energy.


We pick up again later in the evening. I am in the garage because my husband is home and he is a staunch skeptic to these sorts of things, so rather than listen to him grumble in the living room I perch my Macbook on the trunk of my car and show Amy the video where shes interrupted by strange sounds.

Her face says it all. Her eyes go wide and her mouth opens.

Amy: Oooo!

Me: I can hear voices in it!

Amy: I hear a man!

We listen to it a few more times and were both blown away.

Amy: That is so crazy. What the hell is it saying?

Me: I dont know! Ive heard you stutter before online, but that that was voices.

Amy: Towards the end, there are two to three words, I think if you broke it down you could hear what hes trying to say.

I havent been able to decipher it quite yet so if anyone else does, please let me know. We move on.

Heres where things get very serious.

I decided after our Marilyn session that I wanted each of our conversations to have some sort of message for the reader to take away, whether they believed in the paranormal or not. I wanted to share something with our readers that impacted their lives.

Having taken over a session that was initially meant for Nicole Brown Simpson, Ron Goldman delivers that message.

To honor his memory I have included here, in full, everything Amy said that was passed on by Ron. This was uninterrupted.

Amy: Hes giving me a list. So Im going to do one, and so Ron, I would like for you to do one at a time instead of all of this all at once. Because I want to hear you clearly. Say it all.

Okay, so the first thing that hes saying is, he wants it made clear, that there is so much deception isnt even the word because hes saying that all of these people who are chatting their opinion and speculation, the quote-unquote friends the, circus called the police department the media he wants it made clear that, there is barely a drop of truth in so much that has been said. And because so much has been said in speculation, two lives have gotten lost twice, hes saying. [Amy lifts both hands with two fingers up and gestures with them.] They got lost twice. Thats what hes doing to me right now, like this. [She gestures again.]

They were lost, him and her, physically, taken from their lives, and who they were as people was lost again. In everybodys obsession. With their version of what the truth is.

Factual: he wants it known, O.J. Simpson killed him and Nicole. Period.

Factual: he wants it known, Nicole was a good person. He was a good person. They had hopes, they had dreams. Hes saying that in review of life, there was so much wrapped up in the ego part of, the pursuit of fame. Of acting. Being in that It Crowd where theres partying and good times and, um, everythings based on how nice your body is and how, you know, six-pack and all of this in review, he understands the misconception of just making them into, um, stereotypes.

Factual: they were two people who were good people. And hes saying that she was a good mother and loved her children. Hes saying that she wanted to make some changes and was seeing the detriments of choices from the past. He was excited about the future, he really felt that doors would open. And so he wants it made clear that they werent just Barbie and Ken. Is what hes saying.

Factual: he wants it made clear who killed him. Factual: he wants it made clear the type of people that they were. Factual: he wants to make clear, there werent many people who truly cared, except for family. His family, which he wants to get into in a second, and Nicoles family.

He wants to say hes sorry to his family, although he knows its not his fault for what happened sorry for the pain that they went through. With losing him in that way. And he has great love for them all. And his strength in, still, wanting justice doesnt have so much to do with him it does, but the bulk of this feeling is, what his family has been through. And what it cost them. And the years it took from them. And the pain that they still feel. THAT is what makes him this strong. To be able to come through.

Hes also talking about the human nature. That he wants to point out, that is the lowest choice of what we can choose as humans, which is ganging up is the wrong word. Mob mentality. The disgust at that and Im feeling emotions. [Amy begins to choke up.] Of people going through pain. And peoples lives being lost. And those who loved him having to suffer through that.

And the mob mentality of people jumping on it. As if its entertainment. And a circus ride. Take a look at that, hes saying. That is, down to the bottom of the barrel of how we can be as human beings. And he wants that put out there.

This was real. Two people children lost a mother, and in essence children lost a father. And parents lost a son, and parents lost a daughter. Siblings lost And to make it into a spectacle? Is the worst of human nature.

And hed like to say that the people involved in that have been able to evolve, all these years but he cant really say that. Because most of them have not.

But he hopes that there are some. Who will learn from that.

Amy has spoken for over 10 minutes straight. She opens her eyes at last and wipes away tears. That was truly something to witness. Im too afraid to speak in case it might break whatever connection she has.

Amy: Im asking him now if he if it matters to him if O.J. is, ever, obviously he cant be convicted because thats done. But the justice part of it.

She wipes away more tears and listens.

Amy: Hes answering me that justice has a funny way of working itself out. In ways that, arent necessarily expected. And he has full confidence that justice will be served in his lifetime. O.J.s lifetime.

I ask if shes aware of O.J.s current situation. Amy mentions she heard something about his book, and that he had gotten in trouble for stealing something that used to belong to him. I suggest that his prison sentence for the sports memorabilia theft might be the justice Ron had mentioned.

Amy: I think theres more justice to come. I think theres more justice to come besides that. Yeah, because the way that he presented that to me was a future that, um I mean thats justice, but

Me: I mean, hes up for parole next year, but —

Amy: Im gonna go ahead and say theres more to come. (sniffs)

Me: You doing okay?

Amy: Yeah. That was (sighs) I actually feel hes done. It feels a LOT lighter.

Me: Like hes been waiting to get that off his chest.

Amy: Yeah. That was that was tough. The emotion that he put on me during that was, immense.

Me: Yeah. I mean, thats, uh, 100% right because even now with the interest in the case, the TV show, its at least being treated with a modicum of respect. And when it happened it really was just, like, I was doing research for this and they actually, um, they actually credit the O.J. Simpson trial with the birth of the Kardashians, the birth of reality TV, and the birth of the 24-hour news cycle because before that there was nothing like that.

Amy: Hes quite disgusted by that. (laughs)

Me: I bet. Because it wasnt treated nicely. It was treated like, Whats goin on next with O.J. today?”

Amy: Like its a, like its a show.

Me: A soap opera.

Amy attempts to tune into Nicole, who has been content to take a backseat to Ron this session.

Amy: Shes here. She instantly said she let him do the talking because hes the better, (laughing) heartstring-puller.

She closes her eyes again.

Amy: Shes actually very much at peace. Shes very much let go of all of it. Shes telling me that shes very much um active in, uh, being around her sister. Um. That she, often shows her through um. Im trying to get her to show me what shes talking about. Um. Theres things that she does with her sister that her sister is well aware of. Her sisters gifted. And her sister is well aware, um, of when Nicole is there. And so they have a wonderful relationship that way. And its something to do with the bathroom? Im not sure what that has to do with like, I see a vanity, with makeup products, and um, you know, stuff on the counter. So I dont know if maybe she talks to her in the bathroom? But that was a flash.

Amy pauses for a moment.

Amy: And also, her, number one concern is for her children. And she works hard to send them love and support as much as she can. Because theyre not necessarily as balanced as they could be. And rightfully so with what they went through.

We discuss a few more aspects of the murder, including the fact that their children were in the condo when Nicole was killed. Amy seems pretty incensed at that fact as well as the fact that O.J. never asked how his ex-wife died when the police called.

But it would appear everything that needed to be said has been said. Nicole was pretty quiet until Ron got everything off his chest. I ask if theres anything else that needs to be covered. Amy says no, its all out there and we have their blessing.

Wow. Well, that certainly was… a lot. It was a very heavy session to deal with and I guess I hadn’t expected anything different. The session was intended to be with Nicole and Ron sort of hijacked it but you know what? I’m glad he did.

The point that he hammered on the most is one I find very important. It touches on humanity and the idea of how sacred human life is. It doesn’t matter if something is interesting, or lurid, or juicy. If it involves the loss of human life… there’s a certain sacredness about that. I, myself, have been guilty of losing sight of what truly was at stake when it comes to true crime stories. I think to a certain extent we all have.

But that message extends even farther than just true crime. I think we can all forget about what it means to be human, what it can mean to not take into consideration the very humanity of other people. It can become very easy to flip off someone who cuts you off in traffic, to sigh at the person ahead of you who’s taking too long in the checkout lane, to curse at someone who irritates you in a minor way. It’s easy to tear down someone who’s not you. Mostly because you are you and you’re not that other person.

That may sound like some sort of circular psychobabble but consider that. Consider the idea that your loved one — your husband, brother, sister, friend — was murdered. And consider the idea that for months, years, they were the subject of what ultimately amounted to an amusement park ride.

In that same vein, imagine that the same loved one is the person being flipped off while driving. Sighed at during grocery shopping. Cursed at for whatever. I know it’s not an equal comparison but I feel that’s what Ron’s pointing to. It’s so easy to discount other people’s humanity that it’s almost as effortless as breathing.

I think, as well as bringing light to his and Nicole’s plight, that’s what he’s getting at. That’s what he wants made known.

So I’ll end the session with this. Please, remember, all the things that you experience and feel as a human… so do other humans. Everyone around you is human. The kid who gets your order wrong at McDonalds? Human. The jerk who bumps into you at the airport? Human. I could go on and on but I think it’s pretty clear, something that we all tend to forget is that all the people around us are just like us. We’re all human.

And I was going to sum this up with a big poetic paragraph about humanity but you know what? That doesn’t feel right. What feels right is this: treat people kindly.

Treat people kindly.

That’s all.

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